New Format for Nevada Open Road Challenge in May 2018!

Rocket posted:

I need a spot for truck trailer at rest area don't have race tires but a non street legal car that needs trailered. probably a deal breaker if not. let me know what you think? Thanks Rocket

Hi Rocket,

We need to plan out the best way to deal with this, so I don't have an answer for you at this point.   I'm hopeful though that in a worse case scenario, a ~30 mile drive won't be a "deal breaker". 

If things go sideways though and the "deal is broken", I hope you still run in September!

Blue

Hi Blue

I hear you when you say you cant give me an answer right now. It sure seems to me there should be somewhere I could ditch a truck and trailer on the side of the road, in the weeds, or at an old course worker station before the start line. while I do not have race tires I do  have a race engine that is miserable at slower speeds. Could I drive 36 miles to the start line very possibly could I drive back after the race very doubtful. For future reference are shaved street tires considered race tires? Would I come back in September of course but being an addict I sure need a fix before then.

Thanks Rocket

Rocket posted:

Hi Blue

I hear you when you say you cant give me an answer right now. It sure seems to me there should be somewhere I could ditch a truck and trailer on the side of the road, in the weeds, or at an old course worker station before the start line. while I do not have race tires I do  have a race engine that is miserable at slower speeds. Could I drive 36 miles to the start line very possibly could I drive back after the race very doubtful. For future reference are shaved street tires considered race tires? Would I come back in September of course but being an addict I sure need a fix before then.

Thanks Rocket

Thank you kindly for your patience and understanding.  

Blue

Among others, Ken Rees and Lanny Lowman have been doing a LOT of work for all of us on the details of the new format, figuring out the logistics and staging, and talking with Lance Gale and others.  THANK YOU!  

Ken and Lanny also report that mile marker LN-17 is MISSING.  This could have been an important waypoint on the northbound leg for many of us.  Oh well, that's why they call it a "Challenge".

Anyway, I'm looking forward to this, and I appreciate the Board's initiative and how people like Blue and Bunny and others are leading the effort.  

Tom,

You might also note that each mile marker has two signs so in addition to MM 17 being missing, so are the Northbound Signs for MM LN41 and MM NY1. Ken and I  replaced LN MM 41 quite awhile ago with one that I created and it is in the orginal position ID'd by NDOT but it shows only on the south bound leg..

This event going to be fun if all of the details come together and the participants cooperate and don't get sideways with the little glitches that might occur, and I said might occur not will occur. I live by Murphy's law so if everyone follows the directions, the event should be trouble free.

Several of the people have run in 2-way events in the past so it will be relatively easy for them to understand. The SS Class people need to understand that they will most likely go first this time, so no lortering around and sleeping late. Plan on an early trip to CP3 (Start Line). 

 

Deven Hickingbotham posted:

How are the two runs going to be scored?  If I am 2 seconds fast on the southbound run and 2 seconds slow northbound, is my variance zero (like it would be at BBORR) or 4 seconds (like the Checkpoint Challenge)?

Deven

Hey Deven,

As Tom said, like 2 seconds is an example you can fathom...

Nonetheless, in the example you give, you would 0 out.

Blue

Rocket posted:

Hi Blue

I hear you when you say you cant give me an answer right now. It sure seems to me there should be somewhere I could ditch a truck and trailer on the side of the road, in the weeds, or at an old course worker station before the start line. while I do not have race tires I do  have a race engine that is miserable at slower speeds. Could I drive 36 miles to the start line very possibly could I drive back after the race very doubtful. For future reference are shaved street tires considered race tires? Would I come back in September of course but being an addict I sure need a fix before then.

Thanks Rocket

Hey Rocket,

I'm confident we've got it worked out for parking at and near Sunny Side Rest Area for those that need to have rigs closer to start.  We'll publish the official procedure on that with the updated rule book.

Also, for those concerned about the availability of race fuel, Gale Oil & Tire will have a fuel truck on both ends of the course.  Exact locations are being worked out, but the key point is 2 fuel trucks.  

For those who need pump gas, you will have  time to drive into Ash Springs and fuel up, grab a snack and head back to grid/pit area.  For those fuel efficient vehicles that choose to stay in grid/pit area, I'm pretty sure the usual food truck will be there and there should be extra porta-potties. 

Thanks again to everyone for their support and patience!

Blue

Lanny Lowman posted:

Tom,

You might also note that each mile marker has two signs so in addition to MM 17 being missing, so are the Northbound Signs for MM LN41 and MM NY1. Ken and I  replaced LN MM 41 quite awhile ago with one that I created and it is in the orginal position ID'd by NDOT but it shows only on the south bound leg..

This event going to be fun if all of the details come together and the participants cooperate and don't get sideways with the little glitches that might occur, and I said might occur not will occur. I live by Murphy's law so if everyone follows the directions, the event should be trouble free.

Several of the people have run in 2-way events in the past so it will be relatively easy for them to understand. The SS Class people need to understand that they will most likely go first this time, so no lortering around and sleeping late. Plan on an early trip to CP3 (Start Line). 

 

Lanny,

Thank you and Ken so much for all the effort you're putting in to help make this 2-way happen!

Blue

Devin, I would not be conserved in that turn. It is a continuous radius turn. I go through at 155 doing the CP Challenge.we drove through it the other day in a new 1/2 ton Chevy 4c4 at 98 mph to test the radius. Only safety consent I have is if someone is fixed on the finish line coming downhill to the right and forgets to drive their car. Anyone running very fast is normally very experienced. After all this event is the NORC Challenge. I doubt you get your time at the south end as I believe timing and scoring will mimic Big Bend and Sandhills. Nothing new for you I am sure.

Owen Green posted:

just looking at schedule is there going to be a press conference at Sam's or is it going to be just rookie school here in Vegas?    O 

Hi Owen,

No Press Conference in Vegas for May.  Just rookie school.  Also won't be doing the SpeedDigital Poker Run in May but it will be back in full force for September!

Blue

Ok so guess I will cruise up with the rookies maybe hang out at the school. looks like I might be quite busy Fri. and Sat. for tech. and where will the BBQ be at ? the Park for the car show might be a plan. turn the park into pit paddock for the weekend keep some that sleep light around as security. but its just a thought   O

 

All,

I just noticed that there is no technical inspection on the schedule for Thursday afternoon in Ely. That must be a miss-print or editing error.  You have moved everything but the School for Rookies to /Ely so why not Tech on Thursday. Some of us need to get the Shootout set up early and we also work on Saturday and race on Sunday.  If you wish to "Kill" the "Shootout" or cause drivers to be late for the drives meeting for the shootout and miss participating, I strongly suggest that you open Tech on Thursday afternoon. Registration is open and so should Tech be open. The Tech crew was always first to register in Vegas and then they went  right out and begin the tech inspection, so that being the case they still should be able to drive to Ely and  begin Tech in Ely NLT 2 PM. I usually see most if not all of the shootout contestants in Vegas on Thursdays just so they have time to make any last minute changes to be ready for Friday. I admire you for making the remainder of the changes, but this one makes no sense and strongly recommend you rethink this one.

I would like to second Lanny’s concerns over no tech inspection on Thursday for all the reasons he mentioned.   If one has a tire or other issue Friday am it’s too late to fix for the shootout.   Weather and high turnout could also make teching 20-30 cars Friday am difficult and limit the shootout participants focus and final car and gear prep.   Why not add tech inspection Thursday afternoon?  Both the inspectors and racers would be less rushed and theoretically safer.

Official Response on the Topic of No Tech Inspection on Thursday

After publishing our 2018 NORC Schedule of Events, some of you voiced concerns about the decision to not hold a Technical Inspection session on Thursday. Unfortunately, Sam’s Town in Las Vegas is not available as a host venue for our usual events, nor staff housing, during the 2018 NORC weekend. As such, the first NORC Technical Inspection session will be held in Ely on Friday at 8 AM Pacific Time. There will be no tech inspection held in Las Vegas this May.

Some of you also have noted the inclusion of language in the 2018 SSCC Rule Book stating there would be a Technical Inspection held in Ely on Thursday afternoon. Unfortunately, due to volunteer staff work and travel schedules, we will not be able to accommodate our original intention to hold a Thursday afternoon Technical Inspection in Ely. That section of the 2018 Rule Book is currently being revised. We thank all of you who brought this to our attention. We appreciate your concerns, and apologize for any initial confusion this may have caused.

We have added additional tech staff for the 2018 NORC weekend. Therefore, we will be running two lines of vehicles during the Technical Inspection process, increasing the usual pace of tech.

Please note, Technical Inspection lines will be open to Shootout vehicles ONLY at 8 AM on Friday. We must inspect the entire field of NORC Shootout vehicles before the 10 AM Shootout driver’s meeting at their race venue on the other side of town.

All other NORC competitors will be able to enter the Technical Inspection lines immediately after the last Shootout vehicle has been inspected, estimated to be around 9:30-10 AM.

Due to time constraints, we will require ALL competitors have their decals on, paperwork filled out, all gear and clothing out of your bags, with everything laid out and ready to be viewed for inspection BEFORE you enter the Technical Inspection lines. Anyone not complying with this request will be immediately waved on through to make proper preparations before being permitted to reenter the back of the tech lines. No exceptions will be made, so be prepared.

We look forward to seeing all of you at our exciting 2018 NORC two-way event in May!

Sincerely,

Your SSCC Board of Directors

Dick Benne posted:

Will the timing for the two way event be based on 59.89 miles or and even 60?

Dick,

Great to hear from you! Official information on the 2018 NORC two-way course will be published well before the event weekend on the upcoming new SSCC website.

In the meantime, I have CP3 listed as being located 30.11 miles South of the SSCC 90 miles course Start Line. Since CP3 will be the new NORC two-way Start Line for the Southbound leg, as well as the new Finish Line for the Northbound leg, total course length should be 119.78 miles, or 59.89 miles per leg.

Stay tuned for an official announcement on this, as well as updated SSCC course notes, over the coming weeks.

I hope we see you in the field for the new NORC two-way format!

Sincerely,

Berry

I will be there with the LRT (Landis Racing Team) as part of the Driver/Navigator team.  In keeping with the names sake, "Challenge", I have been preparing for the 59.89 distance.  However, I will be watching for the official course notes.  Thank you for your input. 

I have learned that carelessness and overconfidence are usually far more dangerous than deliberately accepted risks.

(stolen from Wilbur Wright)

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