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Keith L. said:

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"Roland, regardless of what the BOD may learn/decide/get from this crash and
it's subsequent video, don't you think bringing it up constantly and keeping
it in the public eye brings more bad press to ORR events? If you want to
address the board, e-mail Steve privately. I'm sure he'll get it to the
board.

These posts just serve to keep it an open wound available for all (not just
ORR'ers) to see."


You may use this:

"From an Anonymous Racer who does not wish to be flamed in a public post:

Dear Keith,

You need to open your eyes and realize that it the SSCC Board itself that is
bringing bad press to the events, not these posts. You and the Board need
to see these posts for what they are -- genuine concern over the safety
standards you flaunt so publicly yet disregard at a moment's notice for the
sake of publicity and a few extra dollars. Whether SSCC wants to accept it
or not, their little secrets are out in the open now and if they wish to
keep their events alive, they had better stop the lying and
misrepresentations about safety. You missed a gate during the famous Chuch
Shafer "Record Run" and a civilian got on the course and almost created a
catastrophe. You censored Todd Carpenter for telling the truth about your
incomplete radio coverage and course control. You told Mike Powers he
couldn't exceed 208 mph on Hoosier tires, but awarded Rick Doria a trophy
for going 218 on the SAME TIRES in the SAME EVENT. And, worst yet, by
waivering this incompetent Japanese driver and untested car to run Unlimited
FOR THE SECOND TIME, the Board has put the sport at risk YET AGAIN. If the
Board cannot see what EVERY OTHER RACER can see, then they are unqualified
to conduct and promote ORR events.

And, who in the hell do you think you're fooling with your comment to "email
Steve?" He monitors this board regularly and he KNOWS what's going on here.
He's just hoping it will go away, and when it won't, he will put
mouthpiece Gary Patterson up to the microphone to provide the proper SSCC
spin. But, I've got news for you: It won't work any more. We all know the
truth, and we're spreading it near and far.

So, SSCC, no mealy-mouth excuses, please. Fix the problems, play by the
rules, or watch your events wither and die. I, for one of many, will never
race with you again until you restore my trust.

A Concerned Racer"

SO LETS HERE A REPLY TO THIS PLEASE!

R

PS
PRIVATELY MAILED TO 363 INTERESTED FOLKS.

Cheers,

Ruf_Racer

 

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I think the SSCC Board has learned a lot from the 350z incident/accident during the September event, both about what should be allowed and what should not be allowed, and I'm confident that the rules will be changed or enforced more strictly and uniformly to ensure that people aren't allowed to endanger themselves or endanger the future of the events. Also, fellow competitors and future entrants have reviewed the video and learned a lot about what not to do when a tire failure is encountered. This will help make the events more safe. The same precautions should be taken if an engine, brake, or driveline failure occurs, and everyone has learned a lot. I hope that we can learn from this catastrophe, and make open Road Racing safer. I hope folks that read the message board will understand that the bench-racing and criticism is for the general benefit of the sport.
This is my opinion......

I think that we all know what the problem is. I dont think learnig is an issue. There were issues brought up prior to the Indada run and looked what happened. This is not the first time.

The problem is that the Board of Directors maybe negligent or willfully out of touch with the racers or just dont care. A result of which, in my opinion there remains sensless and dangerous conditions. What the participants are demanding is to have a safe event with one set of rules for everyone, and the event should be run as safe as possible.Cutting corners on the rules, slack safety on the course and other things are a threat to us all.

It is also a legal threat to the ongoing holding of the event. It would only take one bad incident and one bad lawsuit to end the whole thing - for SSCC and and other organizations.

Furthermore, Nevada law DOES NOT protect each individual organizer and/or each of the Board of Directors of a Non-profit Companty from prosecution or liability from all situations. Be careful what you do,...or what you ignore.

In conclusion, I think that individuals who think that cutting any corners due to some type of non-profit corporate protection are badly mistaken and should seek legal advice from a good attorney, who is familiar with Nevada law.

After the September event, I attempted to get the Board of Directors to meet with a number of participants, to discuss many issues. My request was not accpeted by the Board of Directors.

What will they do after they have kicked everyone off the message board who complains about safety ?

Kent
Well, since this was addressed to me, let me answer to you.

First, Roland, whoever sent you that e-mail must certainly be as yellow as Sean O'Leary's Mustang. Hinding behind the curtain of anonimity is just a chicken-sh*t way of being able to say what you really want to, without any responsibility.

Also, there are a lot of "you"'s in there. Funny, I don't recall having the authority to make any of those calls (nor did I have to). Todd's demise on this message board has nothing to do with what he said AFAIK, it was because he is not a SSCC member, and non-members are not allowed to post here. Is it the BOD's fault that Todd chose not to renew his membership for 2003?

As I hear it, Mr. Safety (Todd) ran with a front brake line clamped off on his return run in Texas due to another blown tire damaging the line. Doesn't that strike anyone else as particularly crazy on any car, let alone an Unlimited car?

The thing that constantly comes to my mind is that this message board is for people (participants) to get information about the event, share ideas, etc. Lately, it has sure turned into the "bitch board". Seeing no positive info on it for potential participants, and nothing that helps the sport, how long might it survive?

Kent, perhaps we won't have to worry about participants getting kicked off at all.
quote:
Originally posted by Keith Lockliear:
[qb] Well, since this was addressed to me, let me answer to you.
Todd's demise on this message board has nothing to do with what he said AFAIK, it was because he is not a SSCC member, and non-members are not allowed to post here. Is it the BOD's fault that Todd chose not to renew his membership for 2003?


Kent, perhaps we won't have to worry about participants getting kicked off at all. [/qb]
Keith,

YGBSM...you really think that is why he was kicked off. I would venture to say that at least 75% of the posters on this board are not current members of SSCC. C'mon now you know better than that excuse.
Dave, when the new message board was implemented, Bunny went through the members list and turned off the posting rights of anyone that was not a current member. The registration rules state that you have to be a current member to have posting ability on the boards.

If there is anyone that has posting rights, that is not a member, they should be happy. The rule is there.

Kent, I am not saying what the board or administrators will choose to do, but his posting priveleges were suspended due to that reason. It's not my call, anymore than it is yours.
quote:
Originally posted by Keith Lockliear:
[qb] Todd's demise on this message board has nothing to do with what he said AFAIK, it was because he is not a SSCC member, and non-members are not allowed to post here. Is it the BOD's fault that Todd chose not to renew his membership for 2003? [/qb]
I just checked the membership rules as posted on the main SSCC website ...
http://www.silverstateclassic....join-member-info.htm ... these two quotes were copied from that page ... "All Annual Memberships expire on December 31st of each year." "You must be a current member to receive mailings and to participate in SSCC events."

You state that Todd was not a member of the SSCC in 2003. How come he was allowed to participate in the NORC and SSCC in 2003. Was he given a special waiver?
So I as I understand this,....if I put up the $25.00 Todd gets all his posting rights back ? Is that right ?

Todd may not be the most socially polished person and he can be a pain - I like him anyway ( were all a disfunction family and we have to tolerate each other ), but I think he has a right to voice his opinion - and I dont think he was wrong to call for stopping the race for a few minutes, to clear the road of tire debris.

I have a real hard time believing Bunny was responsible for Todd being kicked off the message board. I just dont believe it.

He disagreed, but I didnt see him attack anyone. I'll send the $25.00 if SSCC lets him back on the message board. Will SSCC ?

Kent
You guys are really fricken clueless aren't ya? Get this straight now, I'm only gonna spell it out ONCE:

Todd ran several SSCC events last year, all without ever having paid is membership dues for the year. Oversight by registration.

Once this was discovered, after the SSCC event, his posting privileges were revoked. Whether or not they would be reinstated by paying his membership dues would be up to registration, or ultimately the board.

Get it?

Jane, thanks for the quotes...think about them.
Lemme see if I got all this here correct. Will somebody correct me if I am mistaken?

IF I sign up and pay in full to operate a vehicle in next May�s event, I do or do not get posting rights as a part of the total package?

IF I do get posting rights, and
IF I sign up for next May�s event;
AND, for whatever reason, NORC doesn�t get their money,
AND nobody catches the oversight until after the dust has settled,
�do you ask me to pay in full before or after cutting my throat?
WTF? I gotta stop inhaling.

Toodles, gotta go. I'm being slimed over on another post. Reputations are at stake.

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