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2019 Race dates??

Malcolm Johnson ·
Happy New Year to the entire ORR racing family!!! Are the 2019 race dates nailed down for May and September? I don't seem to see them on the website. But then again, I'm an Old Fart and may have missed them.... Old Fart Mac
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Berry Lowman ·
Good question, Mac! Well, after last season, I'm an Old Fart myself, but I do happen to know the official 2019 SSCC race dates: NORC - May 16-19 SSCC - Sept 12-15 Not sure why the 2019 dates still aren't listed on the site, nor the countdown timer updated. If I had admin access, I'd update it, but ... \_O_/. I'll look into it. See all y'all on the grid in 2019! Berry
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Chris Gal ·
Thanks Barry! I've been checking often as I'm looking forward to my second race. BTW, Thank you for all your help and support last September. I was in the silver 1999 BMW 528i lined up next to you in the Porsche.
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Blue Offutt ·
Thanks for the catch gentlemen! I'll get that corrected asap. New Rule Book is up too. Blue
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Gary Linsner ·
Now that we have the dates pinned down are there plans to update the website?Looks like we are filling out 2018 forms for a 2019 race. Also I assume that the forms will reflect the changes for hand timing.
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Blue Offutt ·
Hi Gary, Yep, entry forms will be updated shortly... Blue
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William ·
Hey, when do we find out about the new distance?
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Bill Kelly ·
Apropos the new rulebook it appears that we now have two extra 2010 helmets for anyone who needs them. If I'm out of line posting this here you may beat me with a 2.5lb fire extinguisher (of which we have one extra as well). Bill Kelly
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Blue Offutt ·
Hi William, New distances will be posted within the next couple weeks or sooner. Hey Mr Kelly, Not sure what you're saying about extra helmets? SA2010's are still ok for use. Did you buy some SA2015's and are trying to help someone out with your current SA2010s? 2019 events will require a SNELL Foundation SA 2010 (or later) helmet in good condition, with the participants’ name as the minimum standard. Blue
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Bill Kelly ·
Blue, Short answer: yes. We have a pair of SA2015s and a pair of SA2010s. They're Bell M4 units with all the original packaging and the helmet bags. Perfect condition with only a few hours use (an hour at a time). Thanks, Bill Kelly
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Racing Harnesses and their expiry date

Bjoern Flesland ·
Looking in the rule book page 23 for Grand Sport it says: C. A five or six-point belt harness system, SFI or FIA approved is required. Seat belts with an expiration date label shall expire on Dec. 31 of the year on the expiration label. Those without a manufacture date shall expire on Dec. 31 of the 5th year after manufacture. ALL belts must be in “as new condition”. Sternum belts are recommended for use with seats that do not support the shoulder straps. Refer to Page 31-32. When reading...
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Bjoern Flesland ·
Thanks for chiming in Ken. I have been in contact with Jegs High Performance who sells Racequip harnesses. Jegs came back to me yesterday after getting a reply from Racequip. This is what Racequip replied: “All belts built fresh since 2019 have SFI tags with expiration dates on them. “ As you see they will definitely have SFI tags with an Expiration Date on them. That SFI tag will today show an expiry date some time in 2024, as I understand it. So, at the SSCC will these Racequip harnesses...
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Ken Rees ·
Did they show you a photo of the SFI tag with the wording expiration. If that is true, that is the first example I have heard of using that wording. They may be falling into the same trap as other people with the wording of "valid until" and they treat it as an expiration date. There are several reasons for the validation SFI tags--One is to muddy the waters and get you to buy new harnesses every two years. Keep in mind that the helmets we use have the SA rating and a date (SA2020) The...
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Bjoern Flesland ·
Here is a picture of the SFI tags taken from the Racequip website. The tag to the right is the new SFI version. Is it only me that’s confused?
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Ken Rees ·
Most current harness manufactures only include the validation SFI tag and not the manufacture date SFI tag. Crow Safety Gear (now located in Las Vegas) includes both tags. Lanny and I did a lot of research on this subject when the SFI tags changed a few years ago. That information was sent to all 3 ORR venues. If your harnesses only have a validation date SFI tags, the manufacture date is 2 years prior. The problem occurs when there are new and less knowledgeable tech inspectors inspecting...
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Ken Rees ·
As I expected, they are using the words "valid until" as an expiration date. The tag is valid until that date. It is not an expiration date for the harness. Just subtract 2 years from the date--Use that as the manufacture date. Then add the 5 years to that date and that is when your harnesses expire. Using the above example, the expiration date would be June 2022.
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Bjoern Flesland ·
Thanks Ken. What you are saying here, is that corresponding exactly to the wording in the rule book? And is your understanding of this matter agreed to by all within the SSCC organization? Have it been commented on officially elsewhere perhaps?
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Ken Rees ·
The rulebook says 5 years after the date of manufacture. However, the rulebook does not tell you how to get the manufacture date if the tag does not include a manufacture date. That date is calculated by subtracting 2 years from the "valid until" date.
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Bjoern Flesland ·
Thanks Ken. Is it perhaps correct to say that it is the SFI tag itself that is valid for 2 years after manufacture, not necessarily the harness? Would you agree on there being no real practical difference between a Crow and a Racequip harness, with regards to the SFI expiry/validation date?
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Ken Rees ·
Correct--There is no difference other than Crow attaches a date of manufacture tag in addition to the SFI validation tag.
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Bjoern Flesland ·
Thanks Ken. Is your position on this matter acknowledged by the SSCC tech officials? Have your understanding been practiced at the SSCC since 2017 when the new type of SFI tags were implemented?
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Ken Rees ·
I cannot speak for SSCC. My SFI validation date tag is June 2020. During the NORC, last May, the inspector said my seat belts were expired. I said, " did you look at the manufacture tag date.?" He said, "No" After he looked at the tag, he said that my harnesses were OK. At that point I briefed him about the entire SFI validation/manufacture tag date issue. Now he knows. Had no issues for the SSCC in September. Steve Mott knows about the issue. I don't know if the correct word filters down to...
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jimburnett ·
As an illustration of Ken's thorough explanation of harness expiry dates, I'll list here my TeamTech REWEBBED 6 pt. harness system w/arm restraints and expiry tags. Invoice date 3/16/20. New style tag valid thru 2022 ( no old style tag showing manufacture date). On the arm restraints the old style tag shows the manufacture date as 1st qtr, 2020 (no new style tag). Thus my harness system system expires end of 2025 using both methods of math. I also carry in the car the receipt as proof. See...
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Bjoern Flesland ·
Gents, A few pics of my new SFI harnesses as received today. Showing the SFI tags and their “Valid Until” date. I understand and now clearly believe these SFI harnesses will be good until December 31, 2027 if entering the Grand Sport class. Thanks
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