Improving SSCC participation

Like many of you, I am both surprised and concerned that the Silver State does not attract more participants. I've heard in the “old days” that there were as many as 200 cars (looking at the results posted online I don't see anything nearly this high). If the BBORR sells out 160 spots within 1-2 days of registration opening and has a waiting list, why shouldn't the SSCC?

 

Let me offer the following suggestions on improving participation in an effort to get the conversation going:

 

  1. Keep it safe. Accidents negatively impact participation and are a high hurdle in attracting new drivers. Obviously there are inherent risks in open road racing, but doing everything reasonable (and then some) to minimize them will help ensure the viability of the sport. I believe the SSCC has an excellent safety culture, but I do have two suggestions: First, make it clear to drivers in Grand Sport and above that know that higher tire pressures are needed when reaching sustained speeds of ~150mph (I mention this because a driver in the BBORR was not aware of this and had a blowout, so my assumption that this was common knowledge was wrong). Second, and I know this will be controversial, I would discontinue the 155mph class as I just feel that this requires too high of speeds through the corners.

  2. Improve the web site. How about a link to the Facebook SSCC page? Article about the new speed record? Post event results the same day? More streamlined registration?

  3. More publicity. Reach out to car clubs across the west.  Get one of the Velocity TV channel (DirecTV) shows to film the event.

  4. Keep it fun. How about a competition to see who's car gets printed on the T-shirts? It could be the car with the best Checkpoint Challenge results from the previous year.

  5. Free the car numbers. I see no reason why car numbers 500 - 999 are not available. While not a huge deal, it is a customer unfriendly policy. I'd also free up lifetime numbers if they haven't been used in 10 or 20 years. Maybe occasionally auction these off with the proceeds going to non profit groups in Ely.

  6. Make it clear that rookie school can be waived. Rookie school is another hurdle the prevents people from participating since it is hard for many drivers to take an additional 1-2 days off to attend. If a driver has attended a recognized driving school or has 5+ track days, then they certainly have the skills to be in the Touring class.

  7. Reserve at least one Board of Directors spot for an active SSCC participant.
Original Post

It may be an oversimplification but...involve the members. We are all members, right. A committee here, a committee there, a task here, an assignment there. I, for one have only about six volunteer gigs so...one more shouldn't be too much of a challenge.

Bill Kelly

Deven - Some great points! I really dig the t-shirt contest idea! I sure appreciate your enthusiasm, as do many of our fellow racers who care greatly about our sport. I would like to take this opportunity to address a few items you mentioned in your post, and to further this discussion.

A group of veteran racers and volunteer staffers, myself included, have been considerately reaching out and having conversations with various SSCC Board members and officials over the past few years, constructively sharing many helpful thoughts and suggestions for growth and improvement of the NORC and SSCC events, and offering to assist in implementing many of them.

Many of us who compete also volunteer our time to work as staff on race weekends, in an effort to help make these race events happen. It's a real blast to be the guy at the end of the Shootout course to see how each competitor's run was, and it is actually fun to back cars in on the race grid, getting to say good morning to all of our fellow competitors before it is time to gear up and compete against one another, and the clock.

Some of us have gone one step further and made formal offers to volunteer our personal time, provide professional services, create work product, etc., throughout the year to aid in helping the SSCC work toward improving many of the areas you mention in this post. Some of us have even offered to provide enhanced publicity, media relations, digital media, and other grassroots promotional programs. Services, as you pointed out, the SSCC could really use.

We've also made many racing product suggestions, such as creating a shootout bracket system that awards three classes (naturally aspirated, supercharged/turbocharged, and unlimited) in both the half and one mile shootouts, to get more participants excited about wanting to enter the shootouts, and give all involved a chance to win some additional hardware.

We even suggested bringing back the 155 MPH Class to the top of the Grand Sport Division, as well as running one of the two annual races in both directions (not unlike BBORR and SORC), and a few others we believe many racers would like to see and participate in.

In my experience, the current SSCC Board is more open to new ideas, updates, and changes than ever before. The thing to remember is that the SSCC has been at this for 30 years with a fair deal of success. Yes, they've also had some failures. Like any business, any changes in operations take a lot of careful time and consideration before implementing.

That said, I am cautiously optimistic we will see more good things brewing on the horizon for SSCC. Time will tell, and many of us are at the ready to pitch in and help further the cause.

I'm glad it sounds like you are in this for the long haul as a participant, and an advocate for positive change in our sport. Like me, and many others, I know you also run in the other ORR events, as well. Our sport needs more folks who want to support these races at every level.

I encourage you, and everyone who reads this, to volunteer as support staff at the next race, and get to know the SSCC, SORC, and BBORR Board members, officials, and staffers even better. Doing so only adds to the overall experience of being part of the great family that exists within our awesome sport!

Now, to your point about the 155 Class. Yes, all who know me knew this part was coming ...

I would like to note that one change the Board did allow, that many of we veterans in Grand Sport spent a lot of time and effort to carefully petition them for, both privately, and publicly, was to bring back the 155 Class in the Grand Sport Division. Thank goodness they did so this year. May was a rush running in 155, and September will likely see even more veteran GS teams stepping up to try it. As I said in a previous post over the winter, 155 is the new 150. It's one heckuva challenge!

As a longtime navigator in the NORC 150 Class, a participant in the May NORC 155, and a driver in the upcoming 155 at SSCC, I do understand your concerns about corner speeds. I agree it is quite a challenge to drive the course at a 155 MPH average, especially from CP6 to the Narrows in the Checkpoint Challenge. You for certain have got to know your car, the road, and trust your comfort and skill level with maintaining these speeds. I get why most stay away from the top of Grand Sport. Not unlike the Indy 500, Daytona 500, or even the Cannonball Run, driving and maintaining these speeds is truly not for everyone.

However, I'd like to add that running in 155 Class on 318 is not that much different than running the course at a 150 MPH average, which many of us have done for years. They used to offer a 155 Class in GS at SSCC, back before the cars had nearly as good or suspensions and tires as they have today. They also used to have a 155 Class in GS at the Bonneville 100 ORR (with a 172 tech speed), on a lot curvier road, with greater elevation changes.

As far as safety and additional risk goes, the difference in running in 150 Class versus 155 Class is about the same. Sure, it's a bit faster through the corners. Yet, both 150 and 155 currently have the same GS tech speed of 165. Although, that said, from CP6 to the Narrows, that GS 168 tech speed we have at BBORR with the same equipment sure would come in handy in trying to to not sneeze on the throttle at 164.9 (just saying).

I can personally vouch for what 318 is like in a (mostly) stock suspension C6 Z06 at both a 150 and 155 average, as over the past decade, we've run between 160 and 164.5 MPH over a good deal of the course. Most of it while rarely ever leaving the Southbound driving lane. Is it easy? No, but it's far from impossible.

That said, maintaining a 145 MPH average at Big Bend, especially over the Southernmost 20 miles of the 285 course, is a lot harder through the corners than running 155 through any portion of 318 (other than the Narrows). Heck, driving and holding 120 MPH through the 2400 corner at BBORR is harder than going through any corner in the Narrows at 120 MPH. In 2016, Gary Innocenti went through 2400 at 138 MPH and we stuck like glue. I still pucker up remembering how that felt in the right seat!

So while I agree with a lot of what you listed in your post, and support any effort to help our sport remain safe and grow, I must respectfully dissent on any opinion or idea of removing the 155 MPH Class from the Grand Sport Division. At least, until I have a shot to go toe to toe this fall against Dad and try to see if one of us can win this darn thing!

Oops! Long post, but very passionate about our sport. As are you all. Keep on keeping the conversation going.

See y'all on the grid at SORC &/or at SSCC!

Sincerely,

Berry "Ricky Bobby" Lowman

Deven, when you first tried ORR in your Subie, I thought, "Hmm, I wonder if this guy will ever come back."  Well, you came back with a vengeance (and a Mercedes and then that beautiful GT-3), and now, as a consistent class winner, we're privileged to have your detailed ideas on improving the sport.  Thanks!

All these ideas SUCK.

We do not need more left coast rules. It is  the graying of ORR on the Left Coast....Kids ain't racing like they used to because now they are 70+ hahaha

Those of us who grew up pulling engines apart and doing our own work are over.

What we do NOT need is more millennial and snowflake RULES.    

 

mAd dAwG

Looks like its one vote for "as is".  Me, just glad status has changed and can be there in September.  One thing I really want to see is Bob & Dave & the Oakwood Homes Monte Carlo's photo in the Records section of the website.  I think Jim Peruto would agree and they are a class team.

I agree with Deven's concern over the level of participation. For this discussion "Participant" are those that actually sign up to race - Most importantly in the Rookie ranks as I feel this is where the real future of SSCC lies.  Sept. will be 8 times I  have run this race and each time I have noticed the decline.

I, personally, see no reason for any major changes in the operation and conduct of the SSCC. I also look at the addition of the 155 class as a change and the board should receive 3 cheers. The only area that I strongly feel that the Board should address is the make up of the shoot outs. There absolutely needs to be "Some Type" of format that gives those of us without 900 H.P. plus engines a chance - this would hopefully increase participation in this portion of the event

. This knowing that whatever change is made there will be those that will disagree. I do have a suggestion as to how this change might come about, but to keep this short - will leave for later.

Lastly, how to increase "Rookie" participation. Develop a "Flier" with a listing of events on the reverse. Allow these to be printed locally by volunteers and distributed at local car shows and car clubs. This would save a great deal of money. I know of at least one person who be happy to foot the printing bill - just ain't that much money. Lastly, one could seek volunteers for this effort during the drivers meeting. Not just for the west coast, but for the U.S.

 

 

 

 

I have tried for many years to make suggestions that would increase publicity and participation in the SSCC events. the course worker TV challenge I came up with to get the TV how to shows to come out and participate and then get us more publicity out there was one, tried to get a word in edgewise to Steve Darnell of the Vegas Rat Rods show at Cars and Coffee this morning was put off due to they were filming for some bit of the show and would not let me within earshot. but I keep digging so I think that as an organization we as members and participants need to do more to get the word out, "but thats just Owen what the hell does he know!" but I keep trying!    

Owen, before I continue I must confess that most probably why this attempt fell through lies a lot with me. A while back (?) I had worked with Gail and the IT guy to develop a flier and after numerous back and forths - we finally came up with something we all could live with. I went and printed them here in Yorba Linda and had about 500 - 750 printed and then hit the car show circuit. This being my first attempt, I failed to realize just how important the back of a flier could be. If I handed the flier to 750 people 740 turned it over to see if there was anything regarding race specifics on the back - *(**&*!!! There needed to be some modifications.

Later, probably Sept. race, I met Chris Painter late one night at the McDonalds at Sam's Town and informed him of what I had done and he said he would follow up. To his credit He did! Several weeks later he asked for a file that I couldn't find. All I could find was the file I had used to send to printer. Not computer literate , but acted as the creative person while my friend had all the software to create this document - he couldn't find it either. Sure it could be recreated as it only took 30 minutes for us to generate the first cut. Now I will try to attach a copy of the flier. 

 

silverstates Flyer

 

I too have been puzzled over the lack of participation in the race. My initial thought was that cost might be one issue but the SSCC is similar in cost to the other two open road-racing events.

 

Of course rookies are the key to the continued success of the event. My thought would be to send each rookie a “customer satisfaction survey” after the event.   “What did they like, what did they dislike and if they plan to run the event again.” Can be sent by sent either by snail mail or email (cheaper). Their feedback might reveal some issues that are not apparent to the regulars.

 

This September will be my twelfth Sunday drive down highway 318.   I have missed a few times over the last eight years (first run 5/2009) but always seem to gravitate back to the race. I think it is a great event and probably cheaper than getting a speeding ticket.   I would hate to see this event fall by the wayside.

 

I could write a book worth of posts on ways to advertise and promote this sport to targeted groups, as well as the masses. However, for this portion of the thread, I'll stick with some barriers to entry, as well as reasons some folks only come join us once, never to return again.

Being in the automotive enthusiast & media industry, I've been very fortunate to participate in a lot of different types of racing & rally events, and to befriend a lot of fellow crazies with fast cars who aren't afraid to use them. Many of whom I've told about Open Road Racing and tried to get interested in joining our sport.

Here are some of the most common answers many friends have shared on why they haven't yet made the leap to come run at SSCC, or haven't returned for another. These are not all new ideas, but they are worth mentioning.

1) Working Man's Blues - Many people have said they'd come race in an SSCC event if the race was held on Saturday versus Sunday. Why? People who are working need Sunday as a travel day to get back home to get back to work by Monday morning.

In the land of employers, it's a lot easier to let people take off on Thursday and Friday than it is on a Monday. Monday is a key business day for most companies. Many people I know who go race at BBORR and/or SORC, but not at NORC or SSCC, do so for this very reason. They can race on Saturday, and be back to work on Monday.

Potential Solution - Moving one of the two races (I'd recommend NORC) to a Saturday race would likely increase participation among the not yet retired set. The younger they are, the longer they may stay in our sport, too. Just a thought.

2) Sunday Worship - Sunday is a big religious observation day for many. I've got Mormon friends who race their cars elsewhere, but who have flat out told me they cannot participate in NORC or SSCC events because they are held on Sundays.

Potential Solution - Given how many Mormon racing & car enthusiasts live in Nevada, Utah, and California, it would make sense to offer a Saturday race (again, I suggest NORC) so people who do not work or race on Sundays have a chance to come race with us.

3) Same Song + Different Beat = Two Hits In One - Once a hit song gets overplayed, it starts to lose it's luster, and people move on. It only sees a resurgence on the charts if someone creates a sweet remix version while it's still fresh.

Have you ever wondered why the May NORC and September SSCC races are exactly the same? Same road. Same start line. Same finish line. Same ol' chicken dinner. What incentive do people who race in the NORC have to enter the SSCC in the same year, or vice versa? Especially when they can also go enter BBORR or SORC and get two different races in the same season? Unless you're a caveman, you know that variety is the spice of life.

Why does BBORR fill all 160 slots on the grid within 59 seconds? Why does SORC sell out in less than a day, especially when you have to snail mail in the entry forms? Having run in both events, I can tell you. Two stage racing in an Open Road Race is a whole other animal, and it is frigging awesome!

At BBORR & SORC, you essential get two races in one challenge. Screw up your time on the first leg? No worries. You can make up or scrub time on the second leg. Have two drivers in one car? No problem. You can switch driver/navigator duties at the halfway point before you re-grid for stage two.

Plus, there is an extra challenge in trying to do a two stage race with one final time target. They don't give you your time at the end of the first stage. You have to stop your watch, add or subtract that variable to your overall target time, and then hope you got it right when you shoot for that time at the end of stage two.

Potential Solution - Either reverse the direction of one of the two races, or better yet, make one of them a two way, two stage race. Again, I recommend changing the NORC, as it's become the lesser attended of the two SSCC events.

Wouldn't it be fun to race 90 miles South, gas up and eat at Ash Springs (or at the Y for those not street-legal or on race gas), then re-grid in Hiko as soon as timing & scoring has moved the start clock from Lund to Hiko on the sweep to let us race back North up 318? Talk about a whole other challenge!

Some may say, "but there's not enough time" or "it's too far." Really? If they can do it down in Texas and up in Nebraska, they could do it on 318. Just make the final finish line (going North for those not keeping up) at CP3. The timing & scoring folks could add a secondary beam at CP3 just 18" North of the existing one, thus having the same finish line fail safe we now have at CP9 (aka the Southbound Finish line).

Still think there's not enough time to fit that in while the road is closed? Okay. Then Start the Southbound leg at CP3 instead of in Lund. We'd still get 120 miles of Open Road Racing and no one would get left out in the cold (or hot, as it can sometimes be there in May).

Run this new two stage NORC on Saturday, and you even get the added bonus of having the awards banquet up in Ely on Saturday night. I'm sure the folks in Ely would appreciate the extra business, and you'd not have to worry about moving race haulers, transporting luggage, and driving all the way back to Vegas after the race should you not need to go there.

Think about it. SSCC would have not only the longest continuously running ORR event in September, but the May NORC would be the only 150 Mile (or 120 mile) ORR in existence. How's that for incentive to run in both SSCC events each year? Yeah, I smell a sold out field!

4) Supporting Events - You've left Vegas, the city of all things fun, to drive your hot rod 250 miles into the vast unknown, because you want to go fast. Stymied by threat of getting a DQ on Sunday if you speed anywhere on all those wide open roads that beckon to you, and you've quickly grown tired of cruising up and down US 50 the whole five blocks of town. If only there was something fun to actually do with your race car before Sunday. Too bad no one goes to the Shootout.

Potential Solution - Fix the Shootout - It would be too easy to fix it to not do it.

A) Make the 1/2 Mile & 1 Mile Shootout into a 3-tiered bracket system of classes for each distance, allowing for a naturally aspirated class, boosted class, & unlimited class. Allow the boosted & unlimited shootout class cars to run NOS (in the shootout only). This would allow six Shootout participants a chance to be winners, versus the current system of only two.

B) Allow everyone who enters the NORC &/or SSCC entry into the Shootout. SORC does it this way, and darn near the entire SORC field participates in it.

C) Give participants more passes. You've got the road closed all day. There's nothing else to do in Ely but eat & drink. We go do that at night. Let 'em run!

D) Put in some portable grandstands along the Shootout course & advertise around town. You may be surprised how many locals would come out to watch. SORC does this, and everyone within 50 miles of Arnold is up in those stands

5) ORR is a Western Sport - Many people east of the Mississippi think Nevada, or even Texas for that matter, is just "too far to travel" to enter a road race. I'm glad Bjoern, Rick Herndon, all of Team Cold Steel, and everyone else who travels from much father away on a regular basis doesn't feel this way. Yet, geography is a challenge for many, at least in their minds.

Potential Solution - Again, a Saturday race would give more people time to drive home, or load their cars on transporters, then fly back home before Monday.

6) Youth Appeal & Luxury Set - Most of the people I've raced & rallied with in their 20s - 40s that like to drive fast, who have the cars and money to do so in, also like to compete in high profile events. They want to enter events their friends have heard of, or are envious of, with cool sponsors, swag bags, five star hotels, clubs, bottle service, heavy social media presence & promotion, etc.

There has been a huge rise in 1/2 and 1 Mile Shootout and Roll Race events around the country over the past few years. Events like Shift S3ctor, Texas Invitational, Texas Mile, Colorado Mile, etc., are where the youth are flocking to to race their cars. These events have everything they want, and few things they don't. While the rules are a bit lax compared to ORR (sometimes a lot, actually), you cannot ignore the fact they have full fields and lots of fun everywhere they pop up. The calendar is full of them, and there are more added every year.

These same folks also like driving events that go from place to place, including multiple track days, and big parties every night along the way. Events like Bullrun, Corsa America Rally, Dustball Rally, goldRush Rally, etc., appeal to them more than "3 days in the middle of nowhere with nothing fun to do" (actual quote from people I know who've been to SSCC before from the rally set).

Potential Solution - Have a track day (along with tech inspection) at Speed Vegas or Spring Mountain Raceway. Instead of a "press luncheon" at Sam's Town, host a kickoff event in the clubhouse on Thursday (Wednesday if the race was held on Saturday), with morning and afternoon open track sessions for all participants to either drive exotics, or their own cars, on the track. Don't make "qualifying school" sound like a chore. Make it a party where all participants will want to be there for a good time, and some on track HOONing!

Another Potential Solution - NORC & SSCC takes place in Vegas. The queen city of partying! If it were in Ibiza, would we go to the Sizzler to party? Do they even have a Sizzler there, Um, NO. Let's party in VEGAS BABY!

Why not have the host hotel & award ceremony for NORC & SSCC somewhere on the Strip (ie: Cosmo, Aria, Hard Rock Hotel, etc.)? Having an awards ceremony in a fun venue, with passed hors de vours & Crystal, sans the old smokey hallways & bland chicken dinner, with a VIP party afterwards in one of the clubs, would do wonders for attracting a younger crowd to the race. Even the senior veterans would enjoy a change of venue, even if some may turn in before the party really gets rocking.

I know some of the above ideas probably sound exciting to some, and like absolute hell to others, but parts of it could go a long way toward getting more people, including the next generation of ORR participants, to come join our sport. We don't need to change everything, as the actual racing itself is second to none! But as with all things in life & business, if you're not moving forward, you're falling behind. I hate seeing that happen to our unique & awesome sport.

As always, I JUST WANNA GO FAST!

Berry Lowman posted:

I know some of the above ideas probably sound exciting to some

OH!  My ticker!  "I'm comin' Lizabeth!"

Barry,

Awesome write-up and I think you've got your finger on the pulse of what needs to happen to increase participation.  I would imagine one of the first responses will be that it will cost more money.  Well, probably so.  I don't know what some of those other attractive events you mentioned cost, but can it be all that bad?

I really like the idea of racing on Saturday, and you make great points about why it should be done that way.  The idea of doing a two-way is also appealing, though logistically on 318 it might be a chore.  Talk about a challenge though.

But.....

I'm from Team Pantera Racing, self-described bad-boys and outcast reprobates,  so for me I think we need the following:

Wet t-shirt contests, all weekend long with the winners getting rides at the one-mile shootout (hey, you gotta enter the shoot out to have them ride with you)

Burn-out contests - roast 'em to the rims!

Dyno-day, with several classes, three-pulls, and trophies.

Best-dressed flatbed trailer, give the pit-crews a trophy.

Well, I've got even more ideas but they're even more politically incorrect.

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Asa  Jay

When talking with car club friends who frequently track their cars about the SSCC/NORC I explain the various aspects, fun and costs. What I get 100% of the time is 'why should I have to do rookie school' (after all they ALL do frequent competitive track events). After I explain that it is simply a requirement the next question goes along these lines 'OK, how much track time do I get in my car'. Well, we all know the answers to those questions. So that pesky rookie school that costs $ seems to be one of the final straws in those folks not showing up... Food for thought. And to back up a comment above - I agree the run should be on Saturday - getting a Monday off IS difficult for the younger folks...

 

I am noncommittal over racing Saturday or Sunday however that decision, I am sure, is not solely the decision of the SSCC board.  NDOT plus the sheriff's departments of the three counties we drive through probably have a great amount of input in that decision.  I am guessing that we race Sunday morning because that is  the time highway 318 is the least busy.  That said I believe both BBORR and Sand Hills are raced on Saturday.  So...

I'm glad to see not only an interest but also ideas for increasing the car count at the events. I'll try to organize my thoughts. I'm the younger, or next generation. I just turned 50 this May. I first read about this event while still in college on the east coast nearly 30 years ago and I finally decided to do it back in the fall of 2014. I have to say that we're lucky to have Blue as the rookie coordinator. He was easy to reach, easy to speak with and put my mind at ease. He's a great ambassador and we owe him a great debt. Well, I did Touring then came right back and did Grand Touring and have missed every event after May 2015. Why? I couldn't progress to the Grand Sport in my existing car and the car I'm building isn't done. The trip is a great expense and I couldn't justify spending money to run the same speed group again... especially with car part bills piling up. Yes, I know, this is an expensive hobby and sport and that's the push-back I get when I try to get others involved. Here's some things to consider in no particular order and forgive me as I have no idea what the actual COSTS are to run the event.

1) Simplify everything; all the classes and details can be confusing. I believe you can legally drive 80mph in NV now which means you could likely run 90mph and likely not get cited. Why are there speed classes under 100mph? I think that diminishes the event. How about just 110 Touring, 125 Grand Touring and 140 and 155 Grand Sport before the 160 + classes? This is the wrong place to be if you just want a participation trophy.

2) Roll racing and variants as mentioned above... aren't some of these events "side by side" style? Why not at least some "grudge" style side by side racing? How about a 1.5 mile run like the Mojave Magnum? IS there room enough for that?

3) I'd like to see what top speed I can achieve... plenty of cars are capable of 200mph in the standing mile but can't pass tech for Super Sport. Aren't there others that would like to enter Grand Sport and let it all hang out on that 11 mile straightaway without getting DQ'd ? ISn't there a way to class some drivers in order of departure so one can do that then wind it down to your target speed? Maybe have trophies for street cars for the top 3 fastest through the speed trap? Not everyone has race cars and honestly, other than running into a hailstorm on my (rookie) Touring run it was a rather mundane 90 mile cruise down the highway. That may not entice everyone to come back for more. 

4) Simplify entry fees ; why is there a membership fee? Why not just an entry fee?

5) Simplify things for the navigator . . . why a separate fee? Let them attend and purchase their meals, T-shirt and banquet dinner on site instead.

6) Marketing...  I've lived in AZ since '99 yet so many people I've met at different types of car events have never heard of it.. That's a shame. That should be impossible in today's web-based society. Example, I know there's quite a few members here in Arizona (I'm sure there probably are in other large areas). Why not gather a bunch together to attend your local cruise? Get the board to send car decals then plaster them on your cars like it was race day and roll into the show or cruise-in as a group to draw attention and talk about the event.

7) Simplify things for the rookies... entice them to attend.. and bring their friends/S.O's/navigator. Rookie school was fun but I never understood why it was required unless it was just another "layer" of insulation of liability for the organization should an incident occur. It's another expense that should be optional IMO. Blue does a phenomenal job with the rookies during the stops on the way from Vegas to Ely... his words and stories are probably more valuable than 2 laps in my car around LVMS was. 

8) Car count ; aren't the other races only held once per year? My guess is that if this event was only once per year you'd also likely sell it out pretty quick. Don't mistake me, I want it twice per year but when you look at attendance as a whole you've still got more racers per year. If you want more attendance you've likely got to get it from people who are within the day's drive and please drop the cost for the rookie as the enticement. Once they're hooked they'll come back.

Thanks for listening, I'm no expert by any means as I've only been there twice but I want to see this event remain. Annyway, engine's in and the car's mostly together.. hope to see you all in September... this September. 

 

Ok my 2 cents. I think some of why there is a lack of new participants is also due to the fact of current participants and veteran being snobs.  i think parts were to get together it would favor the event more. Look at BBORR the party is huge and I think almost all parts are there at one time or another. Yes SSCC has a get together but it is the day everyone comes up why not a day later? Rookie school is neccessary  for the fact of there is a difference in doing a track day and this. I have run many different tracks and can tell you that not one of them allows you to sustain a speed of more than 100 for 10 minutes let alone 40! Think about this how many blowouts have you seen at a OT?

This event is more about a 'bucket' list with parts coming for one time and thinking they are better because of what they drive [or they paycheck size] than being humble and enjoying the event IF you can change that attitude then you will get more parts.Stan

Gary Linsner posted:

Of course rookies are the key to the continued success of the event. My thought would be to send each rookie a “customer satisfaction survey” after the event.   “What did they like, what did they dislike and if they plan to run the event again.” Can be sent by sent either by snail mail or email (cheaper). Their feedback might reveal some issues that are not apparent to the regulars.

As an entrant in 2014 that changed his mind, and as an entrant this year, this is probably a good idea.   I don't want to ruffle any feathers so I will refrain from further comment at this time, but as an SSCC first timer I certainly see room for improvement in some areas.   Areas that may even be preventing people from ever entering in the first place.

If rookie school is required why not make it another event - a full day at the track in your own car. Do the training first and then let people play. At Willow Springs we frequently get a hundred or so cars to participate for 2 solid days for what rookie school costs... Just a thought...

 

One other thing would like to see, us set a booth up at SEMA show so we can get some of the industry insiders cages rattled. We are the American original Open Road Race with our roots going back to the La Carrera Panamerica Road Race. I would spend considerable time at the booth trying to sell our product to old school vets and newbies alike. Have a thought that when the NASCAR banquet comes to town have a dozen or so Press packets for some of the retired NASCAR greats to have fun with and find out that there is racing life after NASCAR, but its just a thought "what the hell do I know"    

Deven, Berry, et al

Some personal observations/opinions/comments that are mine alone as I'm not on The Board...

It's great to have so many ideas consolidated into one thread. I would like to add some context that I was not aware of until I started working on moving qualifying to SpeedVegas: 

The State of Nevada supports this event because the objective is promoting tourism in Northern Nevada, i.e., Ely.

That said, yes, there can still be happenings and fun in Vegas, but the "event" is about Ely. To that point, I'm working with The Board and others to help make both the Vegas and Ely experience better for everyone. Judging from the silver state classic challenge inc FaceBook page, others are doing the same in Ely. As Berry mentions above, and as I have personally observed, there is considerably more openness to new ideas.   To be cliché, some ideas above are probably low hanging fruit. We’ll see.  Others would take a metric butt load of work with the State, Counties, insurance providers and other entities. 

Bill Kelly and Berry make another good point: More member involvement would be beneficial to the cause as well. Veteran racer Larry Hall "volunteered" me for rookie duty years ago and it went downhill from there .  I will certainly seek opportunities to "volunteer" others (just ask Tom King...)

See ya soon!

Blue
Rookie Liaison

ps  SSCC 2000 was about 220 cars

Course worker in 2016 here. I came back to race in NORC 2017.

Improving participation:

talk with people,

show your car with car numbers installed,

go to cars and coffee and pass out the SSCC cards (Bunny will mail them to you),

talk to your local auto museum, show your car there, and

talk to people about the race.

https://www.americascarmuseum.org/2017/08/08/9377/#

Bill and Megan

NORC May 2017 100 mph winners (and Rookies too)

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